Franklin Graham: Trump Stopped Sinning When He Became President

Josh Marshall on Twitter
Josh Marshall on Twitter

“Franklin Graham: Trump stopped sinning when he became President. https://t.co/5zpT4lu4ou”

YossarianJohnson

Far-right pastor Franklin Graham claims that Trump has yet ‘to sin’ once since becoming President.

Far-right pastor Franklin Graham claims that Trump has yet ‘to sin’ once since becoming President.

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Michael Kelley
Michael Kelley

Anyone who actually will watch the video will see that this is a GROSS MISREPRESENTATION of Dr. Graham’s words. He never said Trump “stopped sinning” when he became president. What he said was that none of the ALLEGED affairs he had have taken place while president like with Clinton and Kennedy, but were in some cases DECADES ago and still are only alleged. The point is, that you can’t judge a man for all of his past mistakes; only God can do that and knows whether he has repented. All we can do is consider him today.

Mooncalf
Mooncalf

Criminals always 'find Jesus' while in prison, usually in an attempt to increase their chances of an early parole for "good behavior".

LMB63
LMB63

This was awesome! Praise God for your education on sin, separation of church and state and the reminder of what the anti-Christ looks like. I am so prayerful that the right people will READ THIS and change their ways. One thing is for sure, the End is coming! Great post!!! Absolutely loved it!!!

Amiri
Amiri

Oh, so that’s how it is. Who knew Trump morally transformed due to political affiliation, and that morals are centered around extramarital affairs, not mundane stuff like bombing people and insulting others. Whew, thanks for the knowledge!

Christian Left
Christian Left

From Franklin Graham's Facebook page. Were you lying then, Frank, or are you lying now? Or can you even tell the difference?

https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/maven-user-photos/theintellectualist/news/V6JYlf1vJUeMAtnpTodnfw/GOuBVwBIRUan2zPDUcHQog

RealAmericanPatriot
RealAmericanPatriot

Josh Marshall is a moron....if you watch this clip the topic of Trump not sinning was not even discussed.

Watch the clip and you'll see that the only lie that was told was by Josh Marshall....he posted this tweet by the way.

Spiri
Spiri

(Ah, this is one of those 'return button=post comment' sites. Oops). Trump has lied obviously about many things since taking office. I'm not talking about 'in my opinion, this is incorrect;' there are easily verifiable untruths. He's supposed to try to avoid those as a Christian, right? That's where the problem with Christians supporting this man is. He shows no real interest in changing, IMO.

Qpwdaddy
Qpwdaddy

Moral absolutism is the main category of deontological ethics. Deontology bases an act's morality on its adherence to rules. While all categories of deontological ethics hold that absolute morality does exist, not all of them believe that morality lies in the act alone, as moral absolutism teaches. Kantian (or duty ethics) is the other significant form of deontology and says that an act is moral if it is done deliberately and with the right motives. Contemporary deontology says that doing harm is only allowable if it is for a greater good. And the non-aggression principle bases morality on force; a person may only use force or cause harm when defending against an aggressor.

The absolutes in moral absolutism come by their authority in several different ways. Natural law theory says that human nature inexorably reveals some things as absolutely right or wrong. For instance, torturing innocents is absolutely wrong, and any reasonable contemplation of human nature would agree. Contractarianism teaches that morality is determined by a mutual, voluntary agreement between parties. The contract can be a legal document outlining the responsibilities of the parties involved or the assumed civil duties a citizen takes on in exchange for the benefits of living in a society. Divine command theory asserts that the morality of an action is dictated by God. Only God can determine the rules, and we are obligated to follow every word that applies to us.

The Bible teaches moral absolutism in spirit, if not in specifics. We are to look to God's Word, not our own judgment, to know what right and wrong behavior looks like. But because God’s creation reflects His character, it's inevitable that men seeking wisdom would occasionally stumble upon His truths.

God has placed in our hearts a standard of right and wrong that, if followed, would result in our being blessed (Romans 2:14-15). But our fallen nature and bent to sin cloud our conscience. Therefore, the Bible admonishes us to ask God for wisdom (James 1:5). Psalm 119:59 says, "I considered my ways and turned my feet to Your testimonies." Consideration of human nature shows us our inability and our need for God: "If Your law had not been my delight, then I would have perished in my affliction" (Psalm 119:92).

God has set in place certain standards, and it is sin to break those standards. Psalm 24:1 testifies to God's authority: "The earth is the LORD's, and all it contains; the world, and those who dwell in it." He set the absolutes of our morality in His word: "You shall therefore obey the LORD your God, and do His commandments and His statutes which I command you today" (Deuteronomy 27:10). The divine command theory of moral absolutism comes the closest to what the Bible teaches.

Discussing the philosophy of ethics from a secular, humanistic viewpoint is an interesting intellectual exercise, but the simple fact is that fallen man cannot discover truth and goodness without God. Like Abraham, there is only one way that we can be moral: "Then he believed in the LORD; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness" (Genesis 15:6). If Franklin is far right then we are in trouble... in that .50 sec clip he never said “never Sin” clearly not the narrative at all ? It does prove you can twist anything to fit your narrative and think it’s intellectual argument...sorry I can’t cast the first stone.

Gretch
Gretch
Qpwdaddy
Qpwdaddy said: Moral absolutism is the main category of deontological ethics. Deontology bases an act's morality on its adherence to rules. While all categories of deontological ethics hold that absolute morality does exist, not all of them believe that morality lies in the act alone, as moral absolutism teaches. Kantian (or duty ethics) is the other significant form of deontology and says that an act is moral if it is done deliberately and with the right motives. Contemporary deontology says that doing harm is only allowable if it is for a greater good. And the non-aggression principle bases morality on force; a person may only use force or cause harm when defending against an aggressor. The absolutes in moral absolutism come by their authority in several different ways. Natural law theory says that human nature inexorably reveals some things as absolutely right or wrong. For instance, torturing innocents is absolutely wrong, and any reasonable contemplation of human nature would agree. Contractarianism teaches that morality is determined by a mutual, voluntary agreement between parties. The contract can be a legal document outlining the responsibilities of the parties involved or the assumed civil duties a citizen takes on in exchange for the benefits of living in a society. Divine command theory asserts that the morality of an action is dictated by God. Only God can determine the rules, and we are obligated to follow every word that applies to us. The Bible teaches moral absolutism in spirit, if not in specifics. We are to look to God's Word, not our own judgment, to know what right and wrong behavior looks like. But because God’s creation reflects His character, it's inevitable that men seeking wisdom would occasionally stumble upon His truths. God has placed in our hearts a standard of right and wrong that, if followed, would result in our being blessed (Romans 2:14-15). But our fallen nature and bent to sin cloud our conscience. Therefore, the Bible admonishes us to ask God for wisdom (James 1:5). Psalm 119:59 says, "I considered my ways and turned my feet to Your testimonies." Consideration of human nature shows us our inability and our need for God: "If Your law had not been my delight, then I would have perished in my affliction" (Psalm 119:92). God has set in place certain standards, and it is sin to break those standards. Psalm 24:1 testifies to God's authority: "The earth is the LORD's, and all it contains; the world, and those who dwell in it." He set the absolutes of our morality in His word: "You shall therefore obey the LORD your God, and do His commandments and His statutes which I command you today" (Deuteronomy 27:10). The divine command theory of moral absolutism comes the closest to what the Bible teaches. Discussing the philosophy of ethics from a secular, humanistic viewpoint is an interesting intellectual exercise, but the simple fact is that fallen man cannot discover truth and goodness without God. Like Abraham, there is only one way that we can be moral: "Then he believed in the LORD; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness" (Genesis 15:6). If Franklin is far right then we are in trouble... in that .50 sec clip he never said “never Sin” clearly not the narrative at all ? It does prove you can twist anything to fit your narrative and think it’s intellectual argument...sorry I can’t cast the first stone.

Well put!

thshare
thshare

He lies every day to his staff business associates and the American people. lying is sin.

Donna Ruhl
Donna Ruhl

I truly love what you've written. I'm confused about my own perceptions of "Me" I find myself judging those who stand with Trump. More like, feeling sorry for those who I feel are the lost sheep. But my contempt, has made me feel uneasy, and just as bad as they are, for communications disputed in anger. I would like to know more about your beliefs. I told myself long ago, That I could never follow another's perception of the bible, "Religion" But then, I haven't really read the whole bible myself. And fail to see anything but wisdom to live by between the story lines. I find your wisdom to be enlightening. I've been seeing the numbers 333 on a daily basis for the past 25 years. My quest for answers lead me to the trinity. I always thought it was godly, So every time I see them, I tell God, I love him. And thank him for looking out for me. I wish I could hear more from you. Donna Ruhl.

XaurreauX
XaurreauX

What a sleazebag!

CeciCola
CeciCola

What a pathetic attempt to discredit both Graham and President Trump. A lie. The video #1 didn’t include the question that was asked. #2 Graham clarified that Kennedy and Clinton had affairs during their Presidency. #3 He stated the allegations being made regarding President Trump were prior to his Presidency. #4 Graham NEVER once stated or eluded to the ridiculous statement “President Trump has yet to sin once since being in office” or the other “Trump has not sinned since being in office.” Christian’s will catch this gross misrepresentation immediately. Why? Because Christian’s know full well that we are all sinners. The difference for Christian’s we are forgiven. The post is not a total loss ......... it another great example of poor journalism.

CeciCola
CeciCola

Lying is a sin. Just as libel, slander and bearing false witness. Funny we don’t see our own sins (yes, you can call them faults) as quickly as we see them in others. That’s when Christians are reminded....The same measure we use to judge others is the same measure that will be used to judge us. I lean towards being grateful for the forgiveness I’ve received. Another scripture warns us not to be so concerned about the spec in someone else’s eye when a plank is in our own.

Steve Piantedosi
Steve Piantedosi
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I think Don Lemon answered you better than I can. "Have you read his (Trump's) Twitter account?" Franklin Graham is a two faced Right Wing Christians with the integrity of a 5 dollar whore, which, coincidentally, is what he became when he chose to support the Liar in Chief. As John Pavlovitz put it "This isn't about Donald Trump. He is being who he's always been. This about supposed representatives of Jesus whoring themselves out just to have the President's ear and pretending it's the work of God."

FtS
FtS

Franklin, did you forget vanity is a sin? Also Trump tells more lies than anyone I know.
Plus he's a pervert.

Stopwatch16
Stopwatch16

If being President remits Sin...all of the rest of us are doomed and no one else needs Jesus and the last time I checked Lying is a sin and it doesn't matter that the lie is for "Political" purposes or not...Pastor...! Tell the truth and shame...a President.

loretta dicenso
loretta dicenso

What about trump U? If you scammed hundreds of people out of thousands of dollars it is called grand larceny-And that is a crime-even when fake evangelists do it!

loretta dicenso
loretta dicenso

the fact that he has a team of liars for hire is a crime every time they bullshit the American public-as is making a profit from the office with fake missile strikes he is making millions on!

Viking55
Viking55

Since when was Franklin Graham appointed the person who knows when a person sins or not? Seems to me that he is elevating himself to a deity. I also believe that lying, bearing false witness, is a sin and Trump lies daily.

dwain
dwain

another super rich preacher...would rather go to the poorest church in town than attend one of his (graham !!'s) sermons.

Rick2018
Rick2018

Of course the trump supporters (walking braindead) will follow their fuher (most vile human alive) no matter what he does. Oh and it's not bad journalism you gun toting, flag waving idiot, it's the truth.

ladybear
ladybear

Trump has stopped sinning? It's a miracle!

Dyannebt
Dyannebt

So lying is not a sin then huh ????

Wxchaser
Wxchaser

I have my doubts Trump hasn't sinned since becoming President. If this is true, he'd be the first in 2000 years. I'll say this much about Franklin Graham though, regardless of how much I disagree with him politically. Definitely not a conservative here! Anyhow, he brought people to New Orleans after Katrina in 2005 and they stayed a considerable amount of time helping everyone. That was definitely appreciated by everyone including myself. I actually met and talked with him during that time and he seemed like a very nice person.

Diamontails1
Diamontails1

The biggest trick the Devil ever did was convincing bigot, racists, homophobia, and mysogenic folks that they were patriotic Christians. Sad.

Norm Koch
Norm Koch

Intellectualist? lol. You can't even listen. Stopped sinning? That isn't what he said, or even implied. You're not an intellectualist. You're a liar.

jammer5
jammer5

Talk about a god complex with this christofascist moron.

TheRomanD
TheRomanD

@Diamontails1 AMEN...PREACH.

TheRomanD
TheRomanD

@Wxchaser He has sinned daily since he has been in office. A lie is a sin. And from what the Muller Report has reveiled, he has done it many, many, many, many times. He is a sick man that needs mental help.

TheRomanD
TheRomanD

HAHAHAHAHAHA.....@FranklinGraham Man, you have lost touch with MANY things. He commits sin daily. YOU yourself commit sin daily. I know the prez has not back away from all those "Unclean Animals" and such. Paid hush money to hookers, cheated on all his wives and stole money from hookers. But as long as when it was BEFORE his presidency it's ok? You are a SCAM ARTIST that learned from his dad how to convince people to send you cash out of fear mongering. SICK and you say it's gay people who are evil. WTH???

Yohan Henri
Yohan Henri

All men sin daily according to your bible and must repent daily for salvation. Why do all you religious fanatics have to lie everytime you open your mouth?

PatrickDrazen
PatrickDrazen

Are you sure "Trump stopped sinning" when he became POTUS? The way I read the Commandments, remembering the Sabbath does not involve putting together a foursome and hitting the links, playing 18 holes of golf (and CHEATING as much as possible) EVERY SINGLE SUNDAY! We know Trump avoids churches like Dracula avoids crosses! So where is the evidence that he "stopped sinning" when in fact his Presidency has consistently and gleefully broken nine of the Ten Commandments? We know he bears false witness; we know he steals; we know he covets; we know he loves graven images of himself... The Truth shall make you free, Frankie...

TransTina
TransTina

This what happens when the spirit of the Eloim are in charge and not Jesus

BrienD
BrienD

Stupid people are too stupid to know that they are stupid !

The Black Lion King
The Black Lion King

A man don't have to be a Christian to love Jesus. It seems as though Christianity is a man made religion to serve and benefits man and not God.

Tacj777
Tacj777

I will be the first to say that I find most of what Franklin Graham has to say these days, to be quite contemptuous. However, the headline claim that he said that President Trump hasn’t sinned since he became president is not true. He says enough crap to rail against, but let’s not give the right fuel to show how the left spews misleading and right out lies. This just supports the fake news theory. All he said in that video was that Trumps affairs occurred prior to taking office as opposed to previous presidents. He never declared him sinless.

JennaM
JennaM

Mr. Graham. REALLY??? That is so absurd and preposterous! The man's pure sin. Just his what, 10s of 1,000s of lies alone contradicts what you say! You sir call yourself a man of God. Man you are such a fallen away pos and you don't realize it! It's people like you and tRUMP and his con artist pastor that's WRONG with stupid evil-vandal-ical Christianity! Shame on you all! You're a disgrace. Moron. You're just as big a jackass as tRump who btw is everything that contradicts Jesus and the Bible.

Oh and by the by. LGBTQ hating Christians are NOT Christians and you should be ashamed of yourselves if you preach otherwise. You self-righteous hypoPRICKs!!!

ToddB
ToddB

The headline is exactly what is wrong with the Main Stream Media. The headline is pure propaganda. Don't believe me? Listen to the video. Graham would never say that and guess what? He didn't!

RunswithWolves
RunswithWolves

YEP

pupidawg
pupidawg

This man is an idiot if he truly believes that Chump does not sin. He is 'sin' personified.

William911
William911

Okay so he stopped committing adultery because he's too old and his equipment no longer works. what about all the other sins?

Pass the bill
Pass the bill

Trump never stop lying. Graham is a fraud if he doesn't acknowledge right from wrong and corruption, it a shame for higher up to get caught up into being a Cult follower

Pass the bill
Pass the bill

I can guarantee you Trump has never confess his sin and adked Jesus to forgive him. The only way I would believe Trump confess his sin is if he did it publicly.

mtgwen
mtgwen

must be a different bible mine says liars share in the lake of fire and there is clear evidence on film that he constantly lies as well as bullying which is a fruit of the flesh

ColleanW
ColleanW

Lying is a sin - about his finances, about Covid 19, about his involvement with Russia. Stealing is a sin - stealing from the American people by not paying his taxes and allowing his rich friends to do the same. Killing is a sin - how many children have died in cages at the border? How man adults have died because he didn't authorize medical care for them. Sin on top of sin on top of sin. And a preacher that knows better lying for him is heaping hell fire coals on both their heads.

Godscre
Godscre

If he became a Christian, wouldn't he resign and turn himself in to face the law and order? Obeying civil law is our responsibility especially as Christians.


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