An interesting article that Jordan Peterson tweeted out. Of particular interest to me personally was this snippet at the end "I estimate that this means about 95% of Americans are members of some victim group".

These are the "victim" groups referenced "Victim groups identified in social science: girls & women, African Americans, Latinos, Asians, Jews, Muslims, evangelicals, nonliberals (in academia), gays, lesbians, bisexuals, transgender people, unmarried people, people from lower social class backgrounds, immigrants, the elderly".

Notice how girls & women are mentioned first as a victim group - with so much gynocentrism going around it's quite amazing that they can be considered a victim group.

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Cruser
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@RoamingMillennial Sorry after re reading my last comment, It does sound a bit condescending. I do not mean that no one likes science in absolute. My point is that people who look at STEM fields only on the surface often time do not have any idea what they entail. For someone to really appreciate science it takes hours upon hours of studying and making your brain hurt. It's not something that you can just pick up like a hobby. I am doing a PhD in Chemistry and only after years of academic courses I can start to appreciate the field. When someone learns a new fun fact about molecules and then says "I love Chemistry!", they have no idea what they are getting themselves into. This is my whole point on that, STEM is a lot lot harder that it appears.

Another aspect of the STEM fields is that they are impersonal, and this is why I believe girls do not favor them that much. By impersonal I mean that the human aspect of subjectivity is mostly removed from STEM. If you were to read a research paper on a philosophy or a psychology journal, the tone of that paper will sound as if you are talking to another person. Or you can feel that a human being has written it. When it comes to reading science papers that human element is completely removed, and it sounds like a robot wrote it.

I believe that in this country girls on average tend to be more social than boys in junior high and all the way to high school, and this is perhaps why they favor STEM fields less. For this reason they might want fields that emphasize human socialization not objectivity like in STEM.

As far as there being institutional barriers for women to get into STEM, I have not yet seen any evidence. If someone has it, please link it. I know that there is a discrepancy in the numbers but perhaps correlation is not causation. That is literally the first thing you learn when studying the social sciences.

RoamingMillennial
RoamingMillennial

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@Cruser I'd say you're right. Math and science were some of my favorite subjects in school, but going into university I knew I didn't want to study STEM because the careers didn't seem fulfilling. That's obviously just my own opinion, but it seems to me like most of my friends (especially female ones) agreed.

RamsayBolton
RamsayBolton

Indeed. It was more the victim group stuff than the article itself I was interested in.

Cruser
Cruser

The thing is that no one likes STEM. I mean no one, men and women. People pretend to like science and they get amazed by it, but that is only because they are looking at it on the surface and are not actually required to work anything out. It's easy to watch something like Cosmos from Neil Degrasse Tyson and be "amazed" by it, but how many people would watch and listen to dry science lectures? Let me show you a 2 hour lecture on hybrid orbitals and tell me if you still like science then.
No one really likes the STEM fields its just something that they have to do. This is why most graduate students in STEM are from overseas. Americans don't want to go into STEM because its hard and tedious; they want a job or a profession that they actually would enjoy themselves in. It's that simple.
When it comes to women in STEM, they don't want to do it because of the same reason no one else wants to do it, STEM has a very steep learning curve and it is not fun. No amount of empowerment or feminism will change these girls' minds.



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