Hey, Roaming, I find conservatives on YouTube quite disrespectful. I've gone to the agreed by some and promoted theory that conservatives, republicans, and anti-feminists, while claiming we are very whiny and angry, that they too can be angry, easily triggered, and often complain about nothing. I know you're all of these, but are there any possible problems with the Right and GOP you can Identify? User Arunima Tiwari told me on a comment section that Anti-Feminism is based on insults and attacks instead of facts and logic. And I strongly agree. ILYSM Young lady!

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TheNewLiberal
TheNewLiberal

Thanks Danny. Recently an anti-feminist said "unlike feminists, anti-feminists back up there claims with FACTS". For me the only times a non-feminist did not insult feminists or me on YouTube was Roaming and another news/politics YouTuber "Blaire White" Both expressed their reasons for not being feminists in a calm, more agreeable manner. Back to the comment, when you say everything your entire movement states is true, if anyone manages to prove you wrong in anyway, you will feel shattered. As a liberal feminist, I know that some feminists can be almost angelic, and some have said terrible things about whites and men. Some non-feminists like Roaming and Blaire are beautiful and feel truthful when they talk, some(ex. Hunter Avallone and Zoe Does Life) have said sexist things about women or have been very disrespectful. And the would a person labeling "stupid" or "cucks" really stand as fact or just opinion said to be fact?

Distractionbeast
Distractionbeast

Before you can have any meaningful discussion about feminism, you need to agree to a definition of it. Feminism has been used to cover everything from equal pay to reproductive choice and even combat roles.

I would call myself a feminist in this regard: I love my wife and try to support her both emotionally and financially. If she works, I want her to earn what she is worth - same as anyone else. But I work harder and sacrifice so she may not NEED to work. I support her "femininity". As a nurturer of our children, I leave some parenting situations to her. As more of a masculine disciplinarian, I take on other parenting situations. My role as a husband and father is very much like a shield to my family. I accept my role to place myself - physically, emotionally, and intellectually - between them and any threat. I strongly object to putting women on the front lines in combat - NOT because I see them as inferior, but because I wish to see them revered and protected - precisely because I elevate them.

Abortion robs women of their dignity and humanity by attacking their role as mother of their unborn child. SACRIFICING YOUR CHILD TO PROTECT YOURSELF (especially emotionally) IS THE ANTITHESIS OF PARENTHOOD. Parents with children deal with this every day of their lives - it is our job as parent to put our kids first. Even in cases of rape or incest, the first crime does not justify the second (and I have yet to hear most vocal "feminists" cry out for the rights of unborn women). Abortion is not about choice. Sometimes we are blessed (or burdened) with children we didn't intent or want. But once that life has begun, we are parents, like it or not. And we'd better start acting like it. As the father of an autistic child, I would never think of my son as an inconvenience or an unfortunate burden. It is precisely by those hardships that I get to be a true father. There is a word for that - love.

Men and women are different fundamentally. Our natures come from the design of our creation and cannot be ignored without societal disruption. Women tend towards nurturing, supporting and raising of children. Men tend toward sacrifice, labor, and defense. We see these roles exemplified in traditional marriage and that is the secret to why it has stood the test of time.

Of course these natures do not absolutely dictate behavior or always reflect us as individual persons, so there will be counter-examples and they need not be suppressed. Some women do tend toward labor and defense. Some men are better nurturers than their wives. But these are exceptions and while they should be respected in our culture, they do not form its foundation.

I am a traditional feminist. I love and respect women. I strive to protect women. And I'm also a masculinist... how come we never talk about that? ;)

DannyBoy
DannyBoy

That is very mature of you to acknowledge and apologize. Anyway as another conservative I don't give a fuck about the GOP because a) it's objectively corrupt and I hate the idea of political parties and b) I'm not American. As far as issues with the right go I think it's everything you said. Rather than actually stating what our points are or politely dissecting what's wrong, the comments for any flawed feminist videos (and even some unflawed ones) are normally people who make fun of trans, feminists and BLM and tell them, "kill yourself". This doesn't inform anyone and just gives anyone trying to figure out a right-wing position an unnecessary wall of shit. Unfortunately, this vocal minority of douchey 14 year olds ends up speaking for all of us leaving moderate and left leaning people to think we're all assholes. The big change the right needs to make is to bring more attention to people who are more polite and articulate (I feel Roaming is generally pretty good) and less to people who are assholes (like Sargon and Amazing Atheist).

TheNewLiberal
TheNewLiberal

Good point Danny, very sorry to the right. I wouldn't say that about you if disagree with feminism, another user said it in a reply and I immediately agreed. But I've seen it in many(but not all) conservatives and republicans. They call us whiny and that all we do is complain on Tumblr.
We liberals and feminists may have some bad seeds, but some conservatives and anti-feminists call us nasty things like "cancerous" and a "mental illness". A few of us do get overly angry, but I soon found some of those traits in the right. bitter-clinger is also right, the bad liberals probably are a small amount of the whole and the good ones should deserve some respect rather than be bashed on YouTube.

DannyBoy
DannyBoy

I agree that us conservatives can often be found guilty of doing a lot of the same things we accuse SJW's of doing and that does need work. However, if I feel like it's a tad arrogant to assume that people who disagree with feminism do not have facts or logic. Both sides have a problem with presenting a legitimate argument and just throwing insults and snarl words. It's not a conservative issue, it's a social media issue that won't get better by pointing any fingers. Also, when say you know she's, "angry, easily- triggered and often complains." you're being quite rude yourself and no- one wants to humor talk like that, liberal or conservative. I do empathize with you and apologize on behalf of most of us conservatives anyway and I hope you find out that on both the left and right there are good people. Roaming probably won't see this anyway but if you want another conservatives take, feel free to message me any questions and I'll do my best to answer.

bitter-clinger
bitter-clinger

as a libertarian-leaning conservative, I personally show liberals the same amount of respect that they show to me and my rights. Which among those such as Diane Fienstien, Chuck Schumer, Sarah Brady, Shannon Watts and H.R. Clinton is zero.



Konoruck
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